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RSColonel_131st
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posted 11-29-2000 04:26 AM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, to stop this fu**ing disscussion about how bad the game is:

I suggest, all people who have SERIUOS problems with the game post here, and give us there specs. When I say SERIOUS, I dont mean that it might run slow on an 500 MHZ CPU, but CTDs, not playable framerates...thats serious. I just want to hear people who still have problems AFTER they checked out the drivers, DX version, SWAP file...as mentioned in many posts before. And I just want to hear people who OWN the game...not anybody assuming that it might be...tralala, blablabla...


To sum it up: Everybody simowner with unsolvable seriuos issues posts here, and everybody who can run this sim fine posts also (they will be more flying than posting, but we might get a nie number of them here)

After 3 days, we might count...and see if it is that worse, as some of the guys out there think it is.

Just to clear the waters a little....

[This message has been edited by RSColonel_131st (edited 11-29-2000).]


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plummerx
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posted 11-29-2000 04:48 AM     Profile for plummerx   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I would suggest that to save time you trek over to th BA boards and just take a count. Note however that some who initially reported no problems are now reporting some, and that some who now can run the game only do so by doing extraordinray things that should not have to be done.
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posted 11-29-2000 04:54 AM     Profile for Orangutan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bought it Monday evening.
So far, after ca. 4 hours on the sim, it has run flawlessly as far as stability goes. Didn't install the a3d thingie even though it was suggested.

P3/750
128MB (looks like I need to ask Santa for another 128, though)
400MB swap as suggested in the README
Abit BE-6-II
32MB ELSA Erazor GeForce SDR / Detonator 6.31
SB Live! Value /latest drivers, I guess
Win98SE
DX 7.0a

Cheers,
Orangutan

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RSColonel_131st
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posted 11-29-2000 04:54 AM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Plummerx, thats excatly what i did not want to do. I want actual status, 'cause i think that a lot of people already have fixed there problems. If some pilots got some more than at the begining ,they might post it here.
Regarding extraordinary things...I wont judge now thats extraordinary or not...setting the SWAP file to the recommended size is for example nothing weird.

so, I will not save the time:
PLZ, people, post here, that might give us an actual review of the problem status.

thanxs in advance


hehe, to points to add/edit:
1) Oraguan, thanxs for ur commend...u was a little faster than I ;-)

2) Hell, u are from finnland, europe, and bought it on monday?

man, why do I still have to wait for friday this week *snief*

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plummerx
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posted 11-29-2000 05:13 AM     Profile for plummerx   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok it's your survey, but if you want to include those who got the the game running by chucking out ther geforce card or, creating a 2 gigabyte swapfile or some such nonsense, in the "everything is fine" column, don't expect to much reliance placed on your result.
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RSColonel_131st
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posted 11-29-2000 05:29 AM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
HHmm, I'm looking... I dont see any guy here telling me that he had to make a 2 GB SWAP file for running this game. Maybe u just wait until it happens, before u calculate reliabilty. Simply sit back and wait for the guys who will (hopefully) reply to this topic...relax, dont care always about what might be.
Okay, and for now, the owners of the sim hae the word (the keyboard?;-). I'll stop replying in my own topic, and maybe, plummex, mabye u stop that too...until u have a copy of that game.

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posted 11-29-2000 05:42 AM     Profile for plummerx   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Drop down and check the thread "synopsis of fixes"
It's a direct cut and paste with commentary from th BA forum.
As for stopping, no, I won't be doing that. Sorry I upset some, this is not intended. But i belive that unless it is made abundantly clear that this sim needs a major patch, and hasbro needs to make it so, it won't be done. Hell it might not anyway. This would be a bum deal. But every problem needs to be heard by potential buyers. As well as every lame "solution" offerd in lieu of a patch. Hasbro can stand by their product and support it. Or they can have me feed it to them. Their choice.

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posted 11-29-2000 05:52 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Colonel,

My specs:
PIII 600
ASUS P2B mobo
256MB SD100
20GB Maxtor
6GB IBM
SB Live Player 1024
Philips 48x CD
Memorex DVD/CD-RW
Prophet II GTS 64Mb

I have not noticed any bugs in the game itself or in the front end. It runs perfectly on my system with T&L enabled. I let windows manage my swap file and did not install A3D. Only one problem (if you can call it that). I installed the game from drive E: (my cd) but I have to put the game disk in drive F: (DVD/CD-RW) to run the game. AFAIC no biggie.

Drylouvre


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posted 11-29-2000 05:53 AM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
PLUMMEX...STOP IT NOW!
this topic was designed to count in the guys with problems and without problems. We all know ur toughts and hates to MPS and wayward, we know ur other topics...go posting there. If everybody starts posting here, we will not be able to see anything statistical. U got that? Its okay if u tell us ur opinion now the 40iest time, but NOT here. I'd like to keep this one overlookable....
If u continue, I might even start a stats 2 topic...and give u this one for ur assumptions about B-17

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as I said, to keep this one overlookable, I will try to keep the number of my replies a short as possiple. two more points:

1)hehe, another guy a little faster than I...this posting should be righ under plummerx last one.

2) the issue with the CD R Drive...hhmm, maybe u are the same guy who metioned it otherwere, or this is repeating. I can remember around 3 posts with that issue. anyway, glad to hear that it works for u, and have a good time.

[This message has been edited by RSColonel_131st (edited 11-29-2000).]


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posted 11-29-2000 10:06 AM     Profile for JV_44 Wilder   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Assume this

asus a7v
gforce mx
196meg ram
T-Bird 1 gig

This game runs like a beautiful but unplayable flick book. I have all the problems that people have except no ctd yet as I can't bare to play it for long...it's just too upsetting....sob!!!!!!!

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posted 11-29-2000 11:26 AM     Profile for Vancouver     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Experiencing CTDs, pausing, stuttering and terrain/cloud draw-in on two separate systems.

Abit BH6
Celeron 300@450
128 MB PC100 SDRAM
Voodoo 3 2000
SB Live! Value
Windows Managed VM
2+ GB free on C: drive
Windows 98SE

Abit BX6
Celeron 566@707
384 MB PC133 SDRAM
Asus GeForce 256 32MB
SB Live! Value
Windows managed VM
3+ GB free on C: drive
14+ GB free on E: drive (where game is installed)
Windows 98SE


On both systems, I'm running no background processes except systray and explorer. I start the game after a reboot, to ensure that maximum system resources available. I maintain clean systems and am careful about drivers.

I've tried a variety of VM settings and driver combinations, have clocked all overclocked system components back to factory defaults, have tried reducing sound hardware acceleration and disabling AGP on the GeForce. All to no avail.



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RSColonel_131st
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posted 11-29-2000 12:33 PM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I forgot to ask:
plz tell us ur vid memory and DX version u are using. Especialy for the slideshow...hhmm, I'm interested in that.
and, IMHO, windows cofigured VM is crap...I have never seen windows increasing it, it was always at the same settings.

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posted 11-29-2000 12:55 PM     Profile for Truro   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've seen windows increase it's swap size, all you have to do is check properties on win386.swp in the middle of a big app/game.

I used to have a set swap, all clean and pretty on it's own partition, until I visited a friend who's computer that was 1/2 the spec mine was ran twice as fast swap/load wise as mine did. His was windows managed. I do keep a clean 1 gig C: though, still about 600 free, and moved the internet cache off of C: and other things.


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RSColonel_131st
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posted 11-29-2000 03:46 PM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
HEHO!
Where are all the guys with problems?
we got 2....but got 2 also where the game runs just fine. Off head, I know at least two more posters who did report good performance with no CTDs (see Skcar and Patrick Corbett, i'f I'm not wrong.

There are some others reporting that the game runes fine on there old 400 MHZ CPUs (thats why I wonder whats wrong with Wilders one...there should be a solution for him for sure). Okay, so at the moment, it looks fine to me. No 100 tousands of people coming here and telling that it does not work. I feel with the few ones where it doesn't...well, we will get this fixed..I bet.

so, as Iain said... when u wipe of the crossposting and guys complaining without evene woning the game...it comes down to maybe 8% where it does not work. Lets see that we can get 100%


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posted 11-29-2000 04:07 PM     Profile for plummerx   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What, hawking for positive posts now?
nice scientific approach you have going here Col.

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posted 11-29-2000 04:18 PM     Profile for FoxK   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
30 hrs of play...2 CTD's (ctd's during "outside plane" view ina mission with 18 b17's..likely texture overload hehe)

Some stuttery play..elsewise, very playable and fun here

PIII600E

256RAM

GeForceDDR..6.47 nvidia drivers (others worked ok too)

SBLiveValue

400MB SwapFile and amended system.ini file to utilize it correctly

DX7a


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posted 11-29-2000 04:55 PM     Profile for Vancouver     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Colonel,

Coming to any conclusions on the basis of four samples (five if you want to include my post as two systems) is hardly scientific. If you want a more statistically significant sample, head on over to http://www.bombs-away.net and have a look in the Troubleshooting forums there.

Also, blindly assuming that everyone who isn't posting isn't having problems is spin. For all you know, the people who have the game and haven't posted may be having exactly the same problems in exactly the same proportion. Or they may not be having problems at all. Or they may all be having problems. You simply can't factor unknowns into the equation.

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posted 11-29-2000 05:34 PM     Profile for Sean Tudor     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What is the A3D install option you mentioned ? If you have a Sound Blaster Live card why would you need to install it ?

Cheers,
Sean.


quote:
Originally posted by Orangutan:
[B]Bought it Monday evening.
So far, after ca. 4 hours on the sim, it has run flawlessly as far as stability goes. Didn't install the a3d thingie even though it was suggested.


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RSColonel_131st
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posted 11-30-2000 01:01 AM     Profile for RSColonel_131st   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Theres no big conclusion...I just mentioned, that by far there are less people complaing about problem here than everybody said.
Well, to make it excater, just give me more posts...

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posted 11-30-2000 01:31 AM     Profile for Vancouver     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RSColonel_131st:
so, as Iain said... when u wipe of the crossposting and guys complaining without evene woning the game...it comes down to maybe 8% where it does not work.

Looks remarkably like a conclusion to these jaded old eyes.

The reason people aren't posting here is that there are already dedicated Troubleshooting forums over at http://www.bombs-away.net The Wayward guys are focusing their efforts there, so that's naturally where people are congregating. The game's been out 4 days, the Troubleshooting forum has been open for 3, and there are already almost 300 threads totalling nearly 1500 posts.

If that isn't a clear indication that there are problems with the game, then you need to consider changing the prescription on those rose-coloured glasses you're wearing.


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posted 11-30-2000 02:16 AM     Profile for Orangutan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sean,

During the install process the game prompts you to install some a3d drivers or such and it is worded like the game needs this to run.
You can either accept or decline. As a SBLive user I chose the latter. Next follows the DX7a installation prompt which uses exactly the same wording with 'DirectX7' replacing 'a3d'. Wayward should have made a more informative prompt. Had I been a computer newbie, I would have proceeded to install. Would it have hurt, I don't know.

Cheers,
Orangutan


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posted 11-30-2000 03:55 AM     Profile for Rodger Bilko   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vancouver:
Colonel,

Coming to any conclusions on the basis of four samples (five if you want to include my post as two systems) is hardly scientific. If you want a more statistically significant sample, head on over to http://www.bombs-away.net and have a look in the Troubleshooting forums there.

Also, blindly assuming that everyone who isn't posting isn't having problems is spin. For all you know, the people who have the game and haven't posted may be having exactly the same problems in exactly the same proportion. Or they may not be having problems at all. Or they may all be having problems. You simply can't factor unknowns into the equation.


I hate to say it, but I agree with you Vancouver.

Agree with you too Plurmmerx.

Oh forgot, I haven't got the game!

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posted 11-30-2000 09:42 PM     Profile for THEGhostrider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think what the Colonel is saying, Plummerx, is cork it until YOU have some REAL, FIRST HAND observations to share. Other people are perfectly capable of articulating whatever problems they may be having on their own. They do not need someone else as their intergalactic complaint broker. I am certain there are alot more people out there playing and enjoying the game than there are bitching on bulletin boards. Let's give the game a chance, and participate in the positive enhancement and improvement of the game in cooperation with Wayward/Hasbro, not in opposition to them. Nastiness will only ensure that the patches and support we all want would not happen. C'mon, Plummerx, just wait until you've got the game before you pass judgement. What are you going to do/say if it runs great on your machine? Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. You are obviously deeply concerned for the flight sim community and for getting this sim right. We all are. Turn all of that energy into positive, constructive action. Just some food for thought. You will get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

PAX VOBISCUM, and good luck to you,

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posted 11-30-2000 10:44 PM     Profile for plummerx   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sorry. No waiting. My individual results would mean little anyway. This is about everyone, not just me, or those for who the game runs well.
Hasbro, fix the game. It's broken.
MANCHU. Keep up the Fire.

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