WHeeeee! Whats next... Shall we put on our white hoods and ride around burning crosses?

Sheez...

But I have to agree with plummerx, I have noticed they are now answering only what they want.

I think, in fairness to Wayward, 'No reply' could mean 'No', or 'We don't know yet'.

But As I've had to sign NDAs a couple of times in my life... They make it quite clear what one can and cannot post/comment on.

I suspect Wayward is answering what they can... while others form "interesting" conclusions based on what "is" and "is not" answered.

But hey, I guess they have their rights to their consiracy theorys...

Like you'd actually get a staight answer from the goverment ...

"Pfffft...pfffft... s this thing on?"

What part of NDA don't you understand?

You hypothisizing as much as the rest of us are here... Why is it any less plausable that Wayward is answering what they can and "not" brushing of the all to important questions raised in yours and others rantings?

Ah... So I'm to assume that your borish jihad is any more valid than mine?

I have no problems with you prancing about with your thoeries... It's when you boastfully post them as if they are confirmed factual dislaimers I get a bit irritated.

I suspect no one is going to know the absolute truth in regard to the "whys and why nots" until the game is released. At that point I hope for the benefit of both forum communities Wayward adresses the fact and thoeries surrounding everthing that has transpired in the last few months.

"They should have (did?) seen this coming a long time ago and done something about it."

Done what? Slapped some glue on the loose-fitting joints and called it a day? That would be just great!... Another piss-poor sim to throw into the bargain-bin...

Again I'll point out that IMHO Wayward is surely guilty of having bitten off more than they could reasonably chew. But is it really fair to fault them for trying? If such was the case the entire industry would mire in it's own stagnation!

You seem to know so much about running a software company. Why don't you start your own or even get a job in that industry?

[This message has been edited by plummerx (edited 09-12-2000).]

Explain to me what Wayward "should" have done upon realization that the MP might be to difficult to impliment and still meet their proposed deadline.

You keep waxing over how they were irrisponcable in not being realist when afronted with their deadlines and you accuse them of not living up to their hyperbole, yet you offer no solution to their situation.

It's quite easy to point fingers and make these broad statements yet it quite another story to offer a solution eh?

BTW... Early last year code was updated/changed to accomidate the introduction of T&L and further support DirectX8. That accounts for at least one of the early delays in development.

Just a FYI that people seem to have forgotten.

PlummerX, I said "work" and not "money." Though they go hand in hand, they are not the same (our government proves that every day). It is clear from the detailed reports I have read on B-17II, that this sim (bugs or not), will set new standards in many areas. There is SERIOUS talent on this team and they'll get my $50. Remember, it's $50 and not $500.

Your attitude appears to be one that, if you don't get your questions answered, then you make broad assumptions and go on a mission to tear Hasbro (or Wayward) down. Hasbro and Wayward don’t need to answer ANY of your questions (Ian has been as helpful as it appears he is allowed to be. Realize this and give him a break.) Let them finish the game and we'll all see for ourselves. They are just getting this thing done and delivered and have made it clear that only major bugs will be addressed. That could easily mean “no patches.” Now you know this, don’t go out and buy the game and post complaints all over this board when you find a few bugs. If you buy it, you’ll be buying it on the understanding that certain bugs will not be addressed. That is the deal Ian has, in so many words, stated here. I am pointing this out in case you missed it. They are a business which is simply trying to recover from their investment. They still can’t release a piece of junk, but they can’t offer great support when we are clearly not their future customers. It makes NO SENSE.

That is what Hasbro should be saying to you. Posts like yours start negative rumors. I'm just trying to keep the facts clear. You are, however, completely free to post whatever you wish.

I don’t want to make a mountain out of a molehill here. I simply don’t think it is correct to say, “we can make assumptions based on a no response.” If that is true, then I can assume Wayward hasn’t replied to this thread because they want to encourage the type of negativity, they’ve visited the JF-18 forum here, or they are being told by Hasbro to keep their mouth shut or they will be in violation of their agreement. These are assumptions, none of which I necessarily believe, but am just using them as examples of how many different assumptions can be made when we have so few facts to draw from.

I earn my fifty bucks the hard way, just like every other game fan and simmer in these forums. It just seems you expect to be treated like God Almighty just for even CONSIDERING buying a game that hasn't even been RELEASED yet! And you didn't even answer any of the questions from my post.

What do the makers of this game OWE you BEFORE you purchase their product? How much information must they supply you with before you deign to consider buying it? And why do you assume they must be hiding something from you if they DON'T answer every question you throw at them?

These people are making a GAME. They would like their game to be popular, and I imagine they want their customers to be satisfied. You make it sound as if they are trying to trick people into buying their product.

If you have doubts about their veracity, then WAIT before you buy the game. Read finished reviews by professionals and players alike. Perhaps play it on a more trusting friend's computer. Then make your huge purchasing decision. But DON'T try to tell us that the evil gaming company is just luring all the stupid people into parting with their money because they weren't smart enough to ask the "hard" questions.

And the only reason I mentioned spelling and grammar is because they represent 'attention to detail'. Something we also ask of our games...

When asked about support and patches, Hasbro has been silent and Wayward has been evasive and vague.

Statements like...

"As far as *I* know, if there are any serious bugs found after release, then we'll look at producing patches to fix them."

... tells me that there is no serious commitment to fix any problems that come to light after the product is sold... only a conditional promise that they will CONSIDER an attempt to fix bugs. They could have said nothing and it would be the same thing.

Here's what they should have said...

"If there are significant bugs found after release, then we WILL try to fix them"

Do they owe me product support? No, but I won't buy if I don't get it.