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DBond
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posted 09-14-1999 07:46 AM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello to all,

The Spring Offensive is the heart of MiG Alley. A dynamic campaign that allows for strategic planning and tactical execution. Please post your strategies, tips, tactics and war stories here.

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I would imagine the Spring Offensive can be successfully tackled using a wide variety of strategies and tactics. These have to be flexible in order to meet the constantly changing needs of the MiG Alley battlefield.First on my list are southern airbases. Kimpo, Seoul, Suwon, Osan and Pyongtaek are targeted ASAP. These can all be knocked out by the end of the first afternoon. Make sure to also attack Chuncheon, as this base can prove very troublesome to your sorties into Eastern Korea. Next on my list are any high activity supply points and ALL rail bridges below the 38th parrallel. Make sure to keep an eye on the front and make occasional attacks on the road/rail lines with heavy traffic.If things are going well, then sights can be set on the airfield cluster around Sariwon. These bases are well within range of the Seoul area and things get a bit easier if the MiGs have to fly from further north. My typical package for an airfield strike looks like this: 4-B29's or B-26's with 2 flights of Sabre escort. Attach a 3 or 4 flight BARCAP to the strike and set the ToT 5 or 10 minutes ahead. F-80's get Ack-Ack suppression(make sure to arm them with rockets or napalm).T-Jets can then be assigned to take out and bridges or supply points near the main target area. Any remaing Sabres are assigned to escort the F-84's. I find F-84's armed with 1000 pounders excel in the bridge attack role. I like to fly the lead ship in the BARCAP and with periodic calls to Dentist, vector to intercept any threats to the bombers. Of course this is provided you have the resouces available. But these types of strikes maximize damage and limit exposure. The fewer trips to the target the better. These tactics seem to work well, but I still need to cut down on attrition. These are just some thoughts and I look forward to your input and feedback. Together we CAN stop the Reds. If I could only find more Sabres....

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posted 09-14-1999 10:43 AM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've found that flak suppression is more trouble than its worth on medium bomber missions. I've also found that 2 flights of medium bombers is usually enough to take out an airbase. So in the first morning you can take out 2 of the 3 airbases needed to start your Spring Offensive campaign off well. I like to start against the two MiG infested bases on the West because you can concentrate all your F86s in one area for maximum coverage.

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posted 09-14-1999 05:30 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah KC, agree with you that airfields can be destroyed with fewer aircraft. I've knocked out some bases with one flight of Mustangs or F-80's/F-84's. What I'm trying to do is cause as much damage to the airbase as possible. I often give the lead bomber flight 1000 pounders and have them target the runway. A mix of 500's and 1000's are given to the other 3 flights and they are assigned other targets at the base like hangars, fuel and ammo, ops buildings, etc. The desired effect is to cause as much damage as possible and keep that base down as long as possible. Also, I find that by launching 2 or 3 seperate medium/heavy bomber strikes, it forces me to spread the fighters too thin in order to provide cover. Your method is certainly effective and on day one when 8 flights of Sabres are available, it can be done rather easily. But I never seem to have enough 86's after the first couple of days and have developed this method as a way to minimize losses to the fighter ranks by maximizing concentration.Now if I could just find more Sabres...

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posted 09-14-1999 07:16 PM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Agreed, after the first week hit becomes kind of a hit and run affair because of the lack of 86s. The one thing I stay away from is hitting a single target too many times in a row. They send MiGs to that target after a while, especially in the beta version of the US patch I'm flying.

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posted 09-14-1999 11:13 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks, man. Great tip. I haven't really considered target dispersion when planning attacks. In fact, it's been quite the opposite. I tend to have a sort of "rolling thunder" method to the madness. Though there are usually one-flight bridge strikes by F-80's/F-84's to the east since the MiGs are driven from there early on. I'll try out your suggestion. BTW, started another SO campaign. Hit and completely destroyed Pyongyang marshalling yard on the first day. Though it cost us nine new Sabres. I'm hoping this will directly affect the flow of supplies to all points south. Well, we'll see how it goes. With the motivation the civi workers seem to have, bet it'll be up and running in no time!Hey buddy, can ya spare a Sabre?....

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posted 09-15-1999 02:33 AM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
KC,

Tried splitting the bombers on a recent strike on Hwangiu(?) and Sariwon.2 B-26's to each field with 1000's. Only had 5 Sabre flights available so assigned 1 escort to each and took the other 3 with me on CAP. Checking the map I could see 5 red flight icons near the target. I thought wow, 5 sqaudrons, 30 planes each-that's 150 MiGs! Well, no turning back now. We broke off to intercept one of the MiG flights. Couldn't help but worry about the flyboys behind us but this situation called for agressive tactics. If we waited for them to attack, it would have been a turkey-shoot. Closest MiGs were high-40,000 ft. When we were close enough, I saw there were only FOUR! MiGs in the flight! We had been baited! Quickly swung to rejoin the bombers. Somehow, in the ensuing fight, it was 18-1 kills for the good guys. It seemed like some of the enemy formations were under strict orders not to drop below 40,000 ft. Very cool. Sabre is no match at that altitude. Afterwards, player log/last mission indicated that of those 5 MiG formations, 4 were from China. They had 4,15,16,and 13 planes. Dynamic!BTW, read your reports of the U.S. patch at Frugals. Nice work. Can't wait!

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posted 09-15-1999 10:14 AM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DBond,

Very cool story. Yes, I've seen all sorts of different stuff. You never quite know what you are going to run up against. I'll be very very interested to hear how things go with attacking the Marshalling Yards first. I have noticed they arn't so quick to fix Marshalling yards as they are bridges so you may be on to something. One thing great about a medium bomber attack on bridges is that they take longer to come back up with several spans gone. Just got to check the bridge because several are very small and not worth wasting a medium bomber strike on. Can't tell you how happy I am to hear someone else get into this awesome campaign. It will soon be much much better ... and tougher.

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posted 09-15-1999 02:40 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So far so good. Morning of 9Jan saw the line advance to Wonju. Earliest that's happened so far. Really have the Reds on their heels early on. Can't say how much is due to the Pyongyang marshalling yard attack, but things are going well. Also helps that the strikes have been extremely effective. Maybe I'm getting the hang of this! Hit Nampo port this morning (9Jan) Sunk two ships in the harbor, destroyed loading docks and hidden supplies. 83 percent destroyed. 5 days later and Pyongyang is still destroyed! KC, you're right, nothing has been repaired at the marshalling yard yet! Pyongyang MYard and Nampo barely breathin'! Should be hard to find a shovel in Seoul now! Afternoon intelligence reports huge labor force at Kimpo, Seoul, Anak, Suwon and Osan! All are up and running. Oh no- here we go again....

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posted 09-15-1999 11:16 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It took a week, but Pyongyang is finally back on line. Campaign is going very well. Had some grunts encircled NW of Wonju, but 2 days of CAS missions drove them back. Good news is advance is swift. Morning of 13Jan saw the line advance to Seoul! Seoul railbridge is now in U.N. hands but advance has halted at the river. Morning intelligence indicates U.N. preparing for new offensives on all fronts. Should be able to capture Seoul soon. That's the good news. Bad news is I can't select a new target in morning planning without crashing with a invalid page fault! Oh, man...just when we were finally making some big advances. KC, any advice? The hurricane's on the way and I need to capture Seoul before it hits! Help!!!

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posted 09-16-1999 08:52 AM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Man that page fault thing sounds nasty. Haven't run into that. Have you tried to load the Auto Save game and see if that works?

That Marshalling yard thing sounded good. Gonna have to check that one out myself. Nice run at the harbor too, I had no idea that they had that level of supplies going on over there.

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posted 09-16-1999 12:23 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah man, tried auto-save too. When I try to click on any red icon(supply depot, bridge, airfield, whatever) and boom! illegal op. Had a brainstorm this morning and saw I could assign missions with the directives button. Had to leave for work so I didn't have time to try it. Will when I get home. If Floyd lets me back! Live 1 block from Atlantic Ocean. Hope my computer's OK! Hey KC, what's the earliest in the campaign you have captured Seoul? That has to help tremendously in this campaign. Can't wait to fly out of Kimpo! Will have plenty of gas to hang around the Yalu for a while.

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DBond,
I have had the same problem. Mig.exe will give an invalid page fault.
For me it happens after using the mission editor particularly when adding more than 2 packages. Sometimes, deleting the packages and re-targetting helps but it still happens very frequently. I have only noticed this since I dowloaded the service pack for Win98 although it may be just coincidence but I appreciate youyr frustration because it's happening to me 50% of the time.

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posted 09-16-1999 01:22 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've had plenty of crashes before in campaign but never when there were no missions planned and I only wanted to click on an icon. I have found that some crashes can be fixed with a careful look at computer generated routes and waypoints. Often, there can be a disperse waypoint in NK! Some F-51 missions seem to be routed through India. Oh well, Momma never said war was easy....

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posted 09-16-1999 02:38 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK, crisis is over. Despite my best efforts, I could not assign a mission without crashing. Using the directives, assigned my only 3 Sabre flights to an air superiority mission to Antung. Afterwards, clicked on "next period" and all is OK. Ahhh...that's better. Now, back to the campaign. The above mission found me leading 2 flights from 2Squadron with one flight from 1Squadron flying top cover. Approaching Antung, Dentist calls heads up- two trains leaving station. We were high and 6 miles east of the first MiG flight as it broke through the clouds. Counted 32 MiGs. No thanks. As the second group broke through, couldn't make out the number of planes, but we came to fight. So, we slowly turned to gain six aspect and started to follow them in their climb to higher altitude. Still not close enough to count, we entered the contrail level. 12 contrails framed my canopy. 12 on 12. Let's do this thing. Wild dogfight with trails and kill calls everywhere. We smoked eight in short order and I ordered to make tracks for base. No Sabres lost. Curiously, upon RTB, we were given a fail rating and only 2 kills. Hmmm...
Overview button shows eight kills. Oh well, fight to win, glory will surely follow.

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posted 09-16-1999 03:56 PM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DBond,

Can't remember exactly when I got Seoul each time. Sometime between Jan 15-20th I think. The Central area has always been the most stubburn. After I got momentum moving north things went fairly quickly despite the low number of UN aircraft available. Even the North Korean capital fell pretty quickly. Enjoy the relatively easy time of it while you can cause it is not going to last long.

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posted 09-16-1999 06:12 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
KC, can tell by your tone we are all in for a slap in the face when the U.S. patch comes out. Stronger Reds in the East? Great. BTW, it seems the red-tails are the most deadly of the 3 paint designs I've encountered. Is there any historical connection to the schemes in MA to real life MiG squadrons?

DBond

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posted 09-16-1999 10:44 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As usual KC, you're right on the money. Seoul fell on morning of 17Jan after 2 days of offensives that also saw the capture of Chuncheon. Aircraft supply very low. Only one flight from each squadron available. Still, no signs of slowing down. Also, have been experimenting with leading single F-80 strikes on airfields. (Just seem to prefer SS for ground attack). Knocked out Sinmak and Hwainju(?) in successive attacks with 1000 pounders. 8 planes committed, 2 fields down. That's bang for the buck! Enemy planes have been scrambling when we're about 10 miles out, but they don't see us at 450 ft. Like you, I let the other planes in the flight attack, while looking for any ack-ack. When clear, drop bombs and beat feet.

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DBond,

Congrats you are doing very well. You are about to enter what I call the train wreck part of the campaign. You'll soon understand why. You are a little less than 2 weeks from winning the war at your pace. Great work! Like I said before enjoy it now.

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posted 09-17-1999 10:31 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the encouraging words! Ahh... the end is in sight? Very good. I need a break. 3 sorties a day will do that to you. Arriving at base on morning of 18Jan, was informed by Commander that B-29's were at our disposal. They don't come by too often, so best to put them to good use. As recent strikes had destroyed the Sariwon-Sinmak cluster, decided to hit Pyongyang MYard even though only 2 Sabre flights were available. Sent 1 flight of F-80's to hit rail bridge. Textbook strike-both targets destroyed. Flow of supplies should be virtually cut off south of PYang. Afternoon, another raid on Nampo, 2/3 destroyed. Maybe we'll try F-80 strike on downtown airfield. Gotta earn that combat pay! BTW, thanks for tips on squadron-base assignment. Love being able to fly from forward bases. Suwon to Sariwon and back in less than an hour! Just wish I hadn't blown the crap out of Kimpo!

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posted 09-17-1999 11:21 PM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DBond

Moving to the forward bases is a very important factor. This is a good reason to be carefull with your F84s. Because when you can move them forward and attack with a full load of rockets without need of fuel tanks the results are very satisfying. Also don't forget to keep an eye on those little villages. If you keep nailing the supply depots you'll notice that the activity is very low at the supply depots, but in the villages it may be go from very low to low activity. This is telling you they are storing some of their supplies in the villages.

Before hitting the village check the photo and see if it is just huts or actually warehouses. If it has warehouses you have to treat it like a regular supply depot. If it is a hut village you get to find out why they put in Naplam as one of the default selections of mission types. BTW, it is also a good time to have a flight of F84s loaded with rockets and naplam from the forward bases.

On rare occation these villages are actually the most productive targets to hit, but you have to constantly keep checking their activity status. When it gets upgraded to Very low to low there are supply games a foot.

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Right you are! Capturing the airbases in the Seoul region opens up a whole new set of strategic and tactical options. Forays to the Chinese border and gas in the tank! As for ground attack...Morning Jan20 and determined resistence by Chinese ground troops slowing U.N. offensive in mountainous terrain on Central and Western Fronts. Chinese defending west bank of Yesong railbridge. Both F-80's and F-84's now based in Suwon. Only 50 miles to target. Ahhh...ya wanna see some fireworks. F-84 without tanks can carry 32 rockets! The attack was quite a show, though I couldn't hit anything and we failed the mission-1 armor platoon destroyed.
I don't know if I've figured out the Train Wreck thing, but this is what I saw. Decided to sling some rockets underwing on my Sabre and hunt trains. Just behind the lines NW of Kaesong, found our quarry. Dropping to the deck, counted 9! plumes of sweet smoke!That's target rich! Upon closer inspection, saw that there were no cars behind the locomotives! That supply interdiction must really be paying off! Ordered to engage and we attacked. Wingmen on target. 2 train engines destroyed. Took aim on lead choo-choo and 6 rockets on the boiler. Boom! All the remaining trains ground to a halt. Several runs with the ol' fifties finished 'em off. Upon RTB, credited with 21 vehicles destroyed and 215 tons! Train wreck? You bet.

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Not sure if you figured out the train wreck thing? ROTFL. Looks to me you figured it out just fine.

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Upon RTB, credited with 21 vehicles destroyed and 215 tons! Train wreck? You bet.
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Looks as though the end is near. 5 days of methodical advance has moved the line forward to Sariwon in the West, through Pyonggang, to Kojo on the East coast. Reds are digging in for final stand. The objective, NK capitol Pyongyang, lies 25 miles behind current line. Missions consisting of a mix of road/rail interdiction and supply point strikes. Very little air-to-air in last week. Itching for a little dogfighting, decided to take a gamble and hit a target deep in enemy territory. Chosan Supply and Comms center was selected. 4 flights of B-26's escorted by a single F-80 flight. 1 flight from my 1Squadron with another 86 flight flying top cover on CAP.(Though I fly the missions more like sweeps, a few minutes ahead of the package to disrupt MiGs as they position themselves to attack). The Chinese countered by sending 3 MiG flights to intercept. Man, can they fly high! Bandits circled at 50,000 ft. They chose to attack just as the 26's unloaded. 3 groups of 10,10 and 11 MiGs dove right through us! Their speed advantage was too great and they killed 4 bombers before we could react. Called "All Go" and it was on. These guys were good. I locked on to a MiG just as he came out of his run and was attempting to add the zoom to his boom. Rolled over and closed on his six. Feathered the trigger at 900 ft. Sparks. Bandit pulls vertical, and my Sabre strained to pull lead.The Mig half-rolled and started to Split-S. Inverted myself and held the trigger down. Black smoke followed quickly by a fireball. Check six. 23's looked like oranges. Damn. Several rounds through starboard wing. O.K., calm down! Check gauges. Engine seemed unscathed. Full throttle and break to right as hard as she could stand. Tunnel vision. Hit brakes and throttled down as we engaged in classic scissors. He was better and finally got behind me. My Father Who Art in Heaven Hallowed be Thy.... "Got him lead! Look at that smoke!" WOW! My wingman had stayed with us throughout and ripped that MiG to shreads as soon as he got behind me. I love this game.

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Derek,

No, you got it all wrong ... you knew your wingman was right behind ya so you set up that MiG to think he was getting the best of ya.

You are very close to winning indeed. What is the date?

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KC, it's the 26th of Jan.Just 21 days into the campaign and we're knockin' on the door.All bridges, airfields and MYard in PYang lie in ruins, so I don't think they'll be putting up much resistence. We'll see.

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May have underestimated the Communist resolve. Sunset of 26Jan saw all bridges, airfields and marshalling yard in and around PYang destroyed. Awoke 27Jan to find all were again operational! Bet they didn't get much sleep last night. Wonder if they get overtime? What? Communists don't get OT? Man, they work too hard! Oh, sorry...

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Swift advance of previous week has stalled as U.N. rests, refits and consolidates. The enemy has really stepped up MiG activity as patrols are suddenly appearing at virtually every target. We're taking significant aircraft losses as I was slow to react to the increase. Had gotten used to sending unescorted strikes. Learned my lesson the hard way. Been having fun train hunting with Sabres and rockets. Very little activity on rail lines near the front, so have been searching deeper into enemy territory for targets. This time went too far. About 40 miles north of PYang, was diving to attack, when Dentist warns of MiGs lifting off 15 miles to NW. Figured I'd make a couple of runs, then turn for base. Within minutes, 20+ bandits dove on us. 5:1 is no good in the odds department. Ordered wingies to drop stores and engage. Too late. We shot down 4, and 2 wingies got it shortly thereafter. Looking past my tail, saw at least 10 bandits within a mile and closing. Dove to 50 feet and turned sharply, hoping some may crash at that height. Heard two explosions as they hit. Started to break right again, when rounds ripped through the right wing. Sabre quickly rolled over and nosed in from 200 ft. Capt. DBond is dead. On a brighter note, just clicked on new Commander and well, let's just say I magically ressurected. Come too far to start over now! It's now 2Feb and U.N. preparing offensives. Time to make the final push. This time, I'll be sure to assign escort.

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DBond,

Better enjoy that "dive down and get em to crash" now while you still can.

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posted 09-22-1999 01:31 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Man, KC, if the AI craft are less prone to "earthstrikes", I don't know what I'll do. After first week in campaign, we're always hopelessly outnumbered in ATA engagements. Flying 200 ft off the deck with a dozen bandits on my tail has become my favorite things to do! If you are anywhere near hills, some fancy treetop flying can eliminate most of those pesky MiGs. Though I suspect experience/morale has something to do with it. Some just can't be shaken. I can see what you mean now by "extending from the fight" becoming an important matter! Just flew a mission where a least 15 MiGs crashed while trying to chase me through hills north of PYang. Well, 2Feb, Groundhog's Day here in the States, has come and gone. Looks like 6 more weeks 'till spring. U.N. launched all out assault on PYang morning of 4Feb Have had mixed results in several CAS missions in support of offensive. Surprise! Morning of 5Feb, Reds launch an offensive in Central Sector near Samdung(?)! If the enemy commits significant aircraft to the attack, we're in trouble, as few planes, including only one operational Sabre flight, are available. And it just started to snow. It's like the Ardennes all over again.

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posted 09-22-1999 01:36 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
P.S. In an earlier post I wrote that I dove to 50 ft. Meant to type 500. Can only fly my Apache well at 50 ft.! But not a fly-by-rope 50's jet at 500 knts.
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posted 09-22-1999 04:30 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
February 7, 1951. 7:30 A.M. United Nations confirms NK negotiators have surrendered to U.N. forces. The fall of Pyongyang has forced them to sue for peace. The war is over.

The Red offensive in the central turned out to be too late as the assault on PYang was overwhelming. With fall of PYang, Reds had no choice but to surrender. Had alot of fun finding my way through this Spring Offensive. Most enjoyable campaign I've played. Learned that it is imperative to do all you can to ensure A/C survivability. Replacements are slow in coming, only 4 new craft a couple times a week. Supply is, of course, the name of the game. And you must achieve air superiority near front lines ASAP. Try to sort targets first by activity, then by capacity. There are several key targets that seem to have a huge effect on the war. Good luck to all that attempt this awesome campaign. If anyone needs some advice, please post here and I'll be happy to help if I can. OK, boys, the 7th of Feb. Can you do better? Yeah... I know you will

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posted 09-22-1999 05:22 PM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DBond,

Congrats on your victory. Two days better than I could do.

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Thanks, KC. That was an a great deal of fun. Much of that success is due to your insight. Thanks! Now, if I could get that new patch...Promise not to tell! I know that was a walk in the park compared to what you're playing now, no? I should add that there were two settings I changed from the default that may have contributed to that quick victory. As you know, I turned off the Complex AI when I discovered that it reduced the number of aircraft lost to spins and "earthstrikes". Only lost about 25 planes to the dreaded "other" in the campaign. I suppose this represents crashes due to empty tanks and spins.(And just plain old flying too low). So, anyone who leaves Complex AI on will have fewer planes available than I did. I also set the U.N. "autopilot" setting to I think high as opposed to the default medium? Just one notch up. Thought that might better reflect acknowledged superiority of U.N. pilots. So that probably helped as well. BTW, final ATA was in the neighborhood of 350 MiGs destroyed to like, 60 Sabres. Lost an additional 140 strike craft to MiGs and AAA. A further 25 Sabres were lost to "other" and ack-ack. Thanks again for your help, and I hope more people soon try it. Hotshot and quick missions are great, but the SO is the true jewel of MiG Alley.

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The changes you made would of had an impact, but to what extent who could say?

I think a lot of folks are probably waiting for the US patch before diving into the Spring Offensive. I thought it was pretty playable as is, but I think we will see much more when it hits the States shelves.

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Agreed KC, I found the campaign very playable as well. You've documented some of the problems, but all reports indicate some fixes shortly, no? BTW, please have them fix the prop/jet deployment bug. I have yet to see anyone else report this, but I can't be the only one. It would help tremendously if I didn't have to spend so many resources attacking EVERY airfield from Suwon north. Please, someone else confirm they are seeing this as well, so I know I'm not hallucinating If anyone is waiting for the patch to play the SO...Don't wait! Great campaign. Very scalable. I plan every mission from scratch. Have yet to save one profile! Or let the computer do it for you and work your way into it. Easy. But try it now while it is not so hard to win. KC says that won't last long. And if anyone is having trouble with CTD's when clicking "Fly", carefully check each mission to ensure no planes are assigned duties beyond their fuel limits. Click on a waypoint for each mission and only then will you recieve a fuel limit warning. Either add tanks or shorten route. I was frequently crashing after clicking "Fly" and getting a page fault in MiG.exe. Did not have one further crash following discovery of this fix. At, least I think that was the fix!
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posted 09-25-1999 11:18 PM     Profile for DBond   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I knew as soon as I posted that "fix" tip it would bite me back, and it sure did. Last campaign I began to check for the fuel thing every mission after the 10th of Jan. Played the entire campaign without another crash. I thought...Bye bye page fault thing...got it all figured out...no sweat. I mean, 90+ missions and no crash. I wanted to make sure it was the cause before posting. Started a new campaign and can't get past the 8th of Jan without illegal op. Page fault in MiG.exe. Shows you how much I know.
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D,
You seem to have a good understanding of Mig Alley's mission planning and a great penchant for writing. How about whipping up a tutoral for a those of us who are having problems doing it. The tutoral in the manual is not too clear and I'm sure you have a few tips you could share with the online instruction impaired. I for one would appreciate any and all advice, I like the sim and would like to enjoy the experience as you seem to do.

Thanks in advance, and if the answer is no, well I tried.

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Pike,

Finally, someone else showing interest in the campaigns! I'll do what I can to fulfill your request. The first four campaigns are simply to familiarize you with the aircraft that will be at your disposal in the Spring Offensive. The SO is where it's at, so that's what we'll concentrate on. Should work fine with the other campaigns too. First step of course is to select targets. My high value targets include airfields, marshalling yards, ports, supply depots/dumps and rail bridges. Activity should be your first filter. Capacity next. A high activity/high capacity target is priority. I also do everything I can to keep all rail bridges south of the 38th parallel down for as long as possible. When I play the campaign, the MiGs are able to deploy at ANY airfield, so alot of field strikes are called for. Maybe after the patch, we'll only have to attack the jet capable fields. Unless Yaks are introduced.(there are no Yaks currently in the SO) Changing situations will call for occasional CAS and road/rail interdiction missions. That's just the tip of the iceberg with target selection, and hopefully we can keep this discussion going and develop it further(still learning myself). OK, let's say you've selected targets and are ready to plan the mission. The current situation will dictate how strikes are planned. Early in the campaign, MiGs are present near the lines, so I send heavily escorted packages. Later, when the MiGs are driven from the front, you can alter the tactics. Let's say we've chosen Seoul Marshalling Yard as today's target. Close inspection shows two MiG squadrons based at Kimpo and Seoul airfields. Also near the target is the Seoul rail/road bridge complex. Let's hit 'em all! On day one you will have 4 flights of B-29's. Becuase of their firepower, you may elect to split them. We'll assign 2 flights with 1000 pounders to drop on Kimpo. The other two target Seoul MYard. Click on Kimpo. Select medium bomber strike. Set the number of flights to 2. Because MiGs will intercept, be sure to assign escort. Lately, I've been using F-80's for close escort to free the Sabres for BARCAP duty. Set 2 flights of 80's to escort each bomber flight. I then click on "insert wave" and assign the 4 flights of 1Squadron to a BARCAP and set the ToT to 5 minutes ahead of the package. Then I click on "air cover" and assign all four flights of 2Squadron to cover the BARCAP. When setting up the bomber strikes, I select primary and secondary targets just below the loadout option. In this case, I would make sure the runway at Kimpo and the loading yard at Seoul were selected. F-84's with 1000 pounders could the be assigned to attack the bridges. Again, I assign the actual bridge as the target, rather that leave it as the default "main target". You may want to assign Mustangs, or the other 84's to hit Pyongtaek and/or Wonju supply points as they are close to front lines.Or, assign them to hit Seoul Airfield with 1000 pounders. Jump in the lead ship in that BARCAP flight and sweep ahead to engage the MiGs. Also, be sure to shorten waypoints and routes for maximun duration in station. This is just one way to do it. There are so many possible tactics and strategies! You will find those that suit your style. Pike, perhaps you will share some tips and stories of your own as you tackle the SO. Please let me know if this is what you were looking for. I'd be happy to discuss this further.

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posted 09-27-1999 11:11 AM     Profile for kverdon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Been reading your posts reguarding the SO and how you guys took it on. Do we have this same level of control in the other 4 campaigns? or do you just fly the missions as you are assigned? Flew my first mission in the F-86 camp. It was way cool. I actually felt "part" of something. We were at 27K and bounced a flight of Migs at 20K. I got one and damaged two others that were finished off by wingies. The final tally was us 28 migs downed for the loss of 4 Sabres.

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