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Topic: Spring Offensive
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DBond
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posted 09-15-1999 02:33 AM
KC, Tried splitting the bombers on a recent strike on Hwangiu(?) and Sariwon.2 B-26's to each field with 1000's. Only had 5 Sabre flights available so assigned 1 escort to each and took the other 3 with me on CAP. Checking the map I could see 5 red flight icons near the target. I thought wow, 5 sqaudrons, 30 planes each-that's 150 MiGs! Well, no turning back now. We broke off to intercept one of the MiG flights. Couldn't help but worry about the flyboys behind us but this situation called for agressive tactics. If we waited for them to attack, it would have been a turkey-shoot. Closest MiGs were high-40,000 ft. When we were close enough, I saw there were only FOUR! MiGs in the flight! We had been baited! Quickly swung to rejoin the bombers. Somehow, in the ensuing fight, it was 18-1 kills for the good guys. It seemed like some of the enemy formations were under strict orders not to drop below 40,000 ft. Very cool. Sabre is no match at that altitude. Afterwards, player log/last mission indicated that of those 5 MiG formations, 4 were from China. They had 4,15,16,and 13 planes. Dynamic!BTW, read your reports of the U.S. patch at Frugals. Nice work. Can't wait! DBond
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KC23
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posted 09-16-1999 08:52 AM
Man that page fault thing sounds nasty. Haven't run into that. Have you tried to load the Auto Save game and see if that works?That Marshalling yard thing sounded good. Gonna have to check that one out myself. Nice run at the harbor too, I had no idea that they had that level of supplies going on over there. ------------------ Ken "KC23" Cook Contributing Editor Frugal's World of Simulation http://www.frugalsworld.f9.co.uk/
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DBond
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posted 09-16-1999 02:38 PM
OK, crisis is over. Despite my best efforts, I could not assign a mission without crashing. Using the directives, assigned my only 3 Sabre flights to an air superiority mission to Antung. Afterwards, clicked on "next period" and all is OK. Ahhh...that's better. Now, back to the campaign. The above mission found me leading 2 flights from 2Squadron with one flight from 1Squadron flying top cover. Approaching Antung, Dentist calls heads up- two trains leaving station. We were high and 6 miles east of the first MiG flight as it broke through the clouds. Counted 32 MiGs. No thanks. As the second group broke through, couldn't make out the number of planes, but we came to fight. So, we slowly turned to gain six aspect and started to follow them in their climb to higher altitude. Still not close enough to count, we entered the contrail level. 12 contrails framed my canopy. 12 on 12. Let's do this thing. Wild dogfight with trails and kill calls everywhere. We smoked eight in short order and I ordered to make tracks for base. No Sabres lost. Curiously, upon RTB, we were given a fail rating and only 2 kills. Hmmm... Overview button shows eight kills. Oh well, fight to win, glory will surely follow.DBond
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DBond
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posted 09-16-1999 10:44 PM
As usual KC, you're right on the money. Seoul fell on morning of 17Jan after 2 days of offensives that also saw the capture of Chuncheon. Aircraft supply very low. Only one flight from each squadron available. Still, no signs of slowing down. Also, have been experimenting with leading single F-80 strikes on airfields. (Just seem to prefer SS for ground attack). Knocked out Sinmak and Hwainju(?) in successive attacks with 1000 pounders. 8 planes committed, 2 fields down. That's bang for the buck! Enemy planes have been scrambling when we're about 10 miles out, but they don't see us at 450 ft. Like you, I let the other planes in the flight attack, while looking for any ack-ack. When clear, drop bombs and beat feet.DBond
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DBond
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posted 09-19-1999 11:49 PM
Looks as though the end is near. 5 days of methodical advance has moved the line forward to Sariwon in the West, through Pyonggang, to Kojo on the East coast. Reds are digging in for final stand. The objective, NK capitol Pyongyang, lies 25 miles behind current line. Missions consisting of a mix of road/rail interdiction and supply point strikes. Very little air-to-air in last week. Itching for a little dogfighting, decided to take a gamble and hit a target deep in enemy territory. Chosan Supply and Comms center was selected. 4 flights of B-26's escorted by a single F-80 flight. 1 flight from my 1Squadron with another 86 flight flying top cover on CAP.(Though I fly the missions more like sweeps, a few minutes ahead of the package to disrupt MiGs as they position themselves to attack). The Chinese countered by sending 3 MiG flights to intercept. Man, can they fly high! Bandits circled at 50,000 ft. They chose to attack just as the 26's unloaded. 3 groups of 10,10 and 11 MiGs dove right through us! Their speed advantage was too great and they killed 4 bombers before we could react. Called "All Go" and it was on. These guys were good. I locked on to a MiG just as he came out of his run and was attempting to add the zoom to his boom. Rolled over and closed on his six. Feathered the trigger at 900 ft. Sparks. Bandit pulls vertical, and my Sabre strained to pull lead.The Mig half-rolled and started to Split-S. Inverted myself and held the trigger down. Black smoke followed quickly by a fireball. Check six. 23's looked like oranges. Damn. Several rounds through starboard wing. O.K., calm down! Check gauges. Engine seemed unscathed. Full throttle and break to right as hard as she could stand. Tunnel vision. Hit brakes and throttled down as we engaged in classic scissors. He was better and finally got behind me. My Father Who Art in Heaven Hallowed be Thy.... "Got him lead! Look at that smoke!" WOW! My wingman had stayed with us throughout and ripped that MiG to shreads as soon as he got behind me. I love this game.DBond
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KC23
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posted 09-20-1999 02:31 AM
Derek,No, you got it all wrong ... you knew your wingman was right behind ya so you set up that MiG to think he was getting the best of ya.  You are very close to winning indeed. What is the date? ------------------ Ken "KC23" Cook Contributing Editor Frugal's World of Simulation http://www.frugalsworld.com/
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DBond
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posted 09-22-1999 12:49 AM
Swift advance of previous week has stalled as U.N. rests, refits and consolidates. The enemy has really stepped up MiG activity as patrols are suddenly appearing at virtually every target. We're taking significant aircraft losses as I was slow to react to the increase. Had gotten used to sending unescorted strikes. Learned my lesson the hard way. Been having fun train hunting with Sabres and rockets. Very little activity on rail lines near the front, so have been searching deeper into enemy territory for targets. This time went too far. About 40 miles north of PYang, was diving to attack, when Dentist warns of MiGs lifting off 15 miles to NW. Figured I'd make a couple of runs, then turn for base. Within minutes, 20+ bandits dove on us. 5:1 is no good in the odds department. Ordered wingies to drop stores and engage. Too late. We shot down 4, and 2 wingies got it shortly thereafter. Looking past my tail, saw at least 10 bandits within a mile and closing. Dove to 50 feet and turned sharply, hoping some may crash at that height. Heard two explosions as they hit. Started to break right again, when rounds ripped through the right wing. Sabre quickly rolled over and nosed in from 200 ft. Capt. DBond is dead. On a brighter note, just clicked on new Commander and well, let's just say I magically ressurected. Come too far to start over now! It's now 2Feb and U.N. preparing offensives. Time to make the final push. This time, I'll be sure to assign escort. DBond
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DBond
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posted 09-22-1999 01:31 PM
Man, KC, if the AI craft are less prone to "earthstrikes", I don't know what I'll do. After first week in campaign, we're always hopelessly outnumbered in ATA engagements. Flying 200 ft off the deck with a dozen bandits on my tail has become my favorite things to do! If you are anywhere near hills, some fancy treetop flying can eliminate most of those pesky MiGs. Though I suspect experience/morale has something to do with it. Some just can't be shaken. I can see what you mean now by "extending from the fight" becoming an important matter! Just flew a mission where a least 15 MiGs crashed while trying to chase me through hills north of PYang. Well, 2Feb, Groundhog's Day here in the States, has come and gone. Looks like 6 more weeks 'till spring. U.N. launched all out assault on PYang morning of 4Feb Have had mixed results in several CAS missions in support of offensive. Surprise! Morning of 5Feb, Reds launch an offensive in Central Sector near Samdung(?)! If the enemy commits significant aircraft to the attack, we're in trouble, as few planes, including only one operational Sabre flight, are available. And it just started to snow. It's like the Ardennes all over again. DBond
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DBond
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posted 09-22-1999 04:30 PM
February 7, 1951. 7:30 A.M. United Nations confirms NK negotiators have surrendered to U.N. forces. The fall of Pyongyang has forced them to sue for peace. The war is over. The Red offensive in the central turned out to be too late as the assault on PYang was overwhelming. With fall of PYang, Reds had no choice but to surrender. Had alot of fun finding my way through this Spring Offensive. Most enjoyable campaign I've played. Learned that it is imperative to do all you can to ensure A/C survivability. Replacements are slow in coming, only 4 new craft a couple times a week. Supply is, of course, the name of the game. And you must achieve air superiority near front lines ASAP. Try to sort targets first by activity, then by capacity. There are several key targets that seem to have a huge effect on the war. Good luck to all that attempt this awesome campaign. If anyone needs some advice, please post here and I'll be happy to help if I can. OK, boys, the 7th of Feb. Can you do better? Yeah... I know you will  DBond
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KC23
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posted 09-22-1999 05:22 PM
DBond,Congrats on your victory. Two days better than I could do. ------------------ Ken "KC23" Cook Contributing Editor Frugal's World of Simulation http://www.frugalsworld.com/
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DBond
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posted 09-22-1999 06:32 PM
Thanks, KC. That was an a great deal of fun. Much of that success is due to your insight. Thanks! Now, if I could get that new patch...Promise not to tell! I know that was a walk in the park compared to what you're playing now, no? I should add that there were two settings I changed from the default that may have contributed to that quick victory. As you know, I turned off the Complex AI when I discovered that it reduced the number of aircraft lost to spins and "earthstrikes". Only lost about 25 planes to the dreaded "other" in the campaign. I suppose this represents crashes due to empty tanks and spins.(And just plain old flying too low). So, anyone who leaves Complex AI on will have fewer planes available than I did. I also set the U.N. "autopilot" setting to I think high as opposed to the default medium? Just one notch up. Thought that might better reflect acknowledged superiority of U.N. pilots. So that probably helped as well. BTW, final ATA was in the neighborhood of 350 MiGs destroyed to like, 60 Sabres. Lost an additional 140 strike craft to MiGs and AAA. A further 25 Sabres were lost to "other" and ack-ack. Thanks again for your help, and I hope more people soon try it. Hotshot and quick missions are great, but the SO is the true jewel of MiG Alley. DBond
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KC23
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posted 09-23-1999 08:59 AM
The changes you made would of had an impact, but to what extent who could say?I think a lot of folks are probably waiting for the US patch before diving into the Spring Offensive. I thought it was pretty playable as is, but I think we will see much more when it hits the States shelves. ------------------ Ken "KC23" Cook Contributing Editor Frugal's World of Simulation http://www.frugalsworld.com/
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DBond
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posted 09-24-1999 05:52 PM
Agreed KC, I found the campaign very playable as well. You've documented some of the problems, but all reports indicate some fixes shortly, no? BTW, please have them fix the prop/jet deployment bug. I have yet to see anyone else report this, but I can't be the only one. It would help tremendously if I didn't have to spend so many resources attacking EVERY airfield from Suwon north. Please, someone else confirm they are seeing this as well, so I know I'm not hallucinating If anyone is waiting for the patch to play the SO...Don't wait! Great campaign. Very scalable. I plan every mission from scratch. Have yet to save one profile! Or let the computer do it for you and work your way into it. Easy. But try it now while it is not so hard to win. KC says that won't last long. And if anyone is having trouble with CTD's when clicking "Fly", carefully check each mission to ensure no planes are assigned duties beyond their fuel limits. Click on a waypoint for each mission and only then will you recieve a fuel limit warning. Either add tanks or shorten route. I was frequently crashing after clicking "Fly" and getting a page fault in MiG.exe. Did not have one further crash following discovery of this fix. At, least I think that was the fix!
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Pike
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posted 09-26-1999 08:40 PM
D, You seem to have a good understanding of Mig Alley's mission planning and a great penchant for writing. How about whipping up a tutoral for a those of us who are having problems doing it. The tutoral in the manual is not too clear and I'm sure you have a few tips you could share with the online instruction impaired. I for one would appreciate any and all advice, I like the sim and would like to enjoy the experience as you seem to do.Thanks in advance, and if the answer is no, well I tried. Pike
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DBond
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posted 09-26-1999 10:06 PM
Pike, Finally, someone else showing interest in the campaigns! I'll do what I can to fulfill your request. The first four campaigns are simply to familiarize you with the aircraft that will be at your disposal in the Spring Offensive. The SO is where it's at, so that's what we'll concentrate on. Should work fine with the other campaigns too. First step of course is to select targets. My high value targets include airfields, marshalling yards, ports, supply depots/dumps and rail bridges. Activity should be your first filter. Capacity next. A high activity/high capacity target is priority. I also do everything I can to keep all rail bridges south of the 38th parallel down for as long as possible. When I play the campaign, the MiGs are able to deploy at ANY airfield, so alot of field strikes are called for. Maybe after the patch, we'll only have to attack the jet capable fields. Unless Yaks are introduced.(there are no Yaks currently in the SO) Changing situations will call for occasional CAS and road/rail interdiction missions. That's just the tip of the iceberg with target selection, and hopefully we can keep this discussion going and develop it further(still learning myself). OK, let's say you've selected targets and are ready to plan the mission. The current situation will dictate how strikes are planned. Early in the campaign, MiGs are present near the lines, so I send heavily escorted packages. Later, when the MiGs are driven from the front, you can alter the tactics. Let's say we've chosen Seoul Marshalling Yard as today's target. Close inspection shows two MiG squadrons based at Kimpo and Seoul airfields. Also near the target is the Seoul rail/road bridge complex. Let's hit 'em all! On day one you will have 4 flights of B-29's. Becuase of their firepower, you may elect to split them. We'll assign 2 flights with 1000 pounders to drop on Kimpo. The other two target Seoul MYard. Click on Kimpo. Select medium bomber strike. Set the number of flights to 2. Because MiGs will intercept, be sure to assign escort. Lately, I've been using F-80's for close escort to free the Sabres for BARCAP duty. Set 2 flights of 80's to escort each bomber flight. I then click on "insert wave" and assign the 4 flights of 1Squadron to a BARCAP and set the ToT to 5 minutes ahead of the package. Then I click on "air cover" and assign all four flights of 2Squadron to cover the BARCAP. When setting up the bomber strikes, I select primary and secondary targets just below the loadout option. In this case, I would make sure the runway at Kimpo and the loading yard at Seoul were selected. F-84's with 1000 pounders could the be assigned to attack the bridges. Again, I assign the actual bridge as the target, rather that leave it as the default "main target". You may want to assign Mustangs, or the other 84's to hit Pyongtaek and/or Wonju supply points as they are close to front lines.Or, assign them to hit Seoul Airfield with 1000 pounders. Jump in the lead ship in that BARCAP flight and sweep ahead to engage the MiGs. Also, be sure to shorten waypoints and routes for maximun duration in station. This is just one way to do it. There are so many possible tactics and strategies! You will find those that suit your style. Pike, perhaps you will share some tips and stories of your own as you tackle the SO. Please let me know if this is what you were looking for. I'd be happy to discuss this further. [This message has been edited by DBond (edited 09-26-1999).]
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