One of the reason alot of Falcon4 gamers wont use Flanker is because of the analogue avionics and low functionality radar display.

I love flanker, but agree with them in that the cockpit is rather unchallenging when compared to the work done in F4, F15, F18 and even old EF2000.

Would you seriously consider getting the newer glass cockpit and digital MFDs into FlankerAttack and get the radar more functional?

Thomas AV8R Spann

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I wouldn't. At least not for the Sues... cause those would be different planes now. Enough that we're getting a MiG that's not even in service!

However, if the F-16 is included, then we have a glass cockpit right there. I think that the Su-39 might also have some 'advanced' features that the basic -25 doesn't. What would make sence though, is for them to include the MiG-29SMT since it's the direct equivalent of the F-16C (40/50) and it IS entering service with Russia and it multi-role and IT HAS A GLASS COCKPIT!

But alas, I think there's too little info avail. on the SMT to do much of a sim, though there is much less known about the -K and they're doing it. And of course 5 planes in one sim could be a bit overkill

I say drop the Su-39, they don't operate off the Kuzie any way. Keep the Su-25/A-10 combo and MiG-29SMT/F-16C to boot. Now that makes sence, no?

It's bad enough that the Flanker's avionics are not done too "realisticly", I'd hate to have the developers rely on their imaginations to do a model of a plane not even planed for service.

I`ve started my simming with F4, and the functionality of the avionics were a major part of that sim hookin` me. Flanker, in comparison is an arcade. I don`t know how valid F4 is. I`ve heard often that F18 is better, but on account of it`s frames and gfx I`ve never bought it. Mahbe when I find it in a bin for 5$...

But, back to the toppic...the sue is a joke in that department. A2A and A2G both...

I can`t fathom pointing a jet to a general direction and HOPE you get a radar return...
Or the ground radar made to feel...hmmm...not easy(?) by the way of...ehhh...color palette? wazzup with that?
Or another favorite: you cant deliver certain munitions to certain targets without acquiring them visually...but their effective WEZ outranges the poppin up distance...

I mean c`mon...

I`m in favour of gettin` the avionics(radar/mfd) issue sorted out...b4 gettin any addons in terms of new aircraft or whatever...

My only hope , that since the Flanker: Attack promise, they are workin` on it feverishly...(at least the A2G aspect)
Otherwise Flanker will remain to me what it is now: air-quake.

B4 you start the flames: Never have played quake or any FPS...NADA...nevertheless, that`s how it feels...

I just would like to see a more detailed cockpit with modernized MFD avionics, and make the over simplified radar modelling more effective.

As far as F2's flight modelling and good looks, I love it. The force on force stuff is just frostting on the cake that one day Im sure we will get to some degree. Doubt that they will get it as complex as F4 to be honest.

At the end of the day, we get two fantastic flight sims: falcon4 and flanker2. F15 and F18 are good runners up on my list.

EvilB,

Im not quite sure I care if the modernized glass cockpit planes are in wide service or not. The present alternative of an oversimplified old style cockpit just isnt very challenging and interesting to learn. I know you disagree, but thats just my opinion in contrast. Peace bro.

We would be very tempted indeed to create such prototype glass cockpits but we truly have little information on their operation. Things might change by Flanker Attack but not for 2.5 I'm sure.

Thank you all for your support.

The reason why I said "I wouldn't" is because the pics you put up above are form the Su-35/37 prototypes. So I assume you asked for a 35/37 sim. There's VERY little hard info on them at all. They don't even have a standard cockpit layout. They're just prototypes. On the other hand, if a glass cockpit in a Russian plane is what you want, the SMT presents a much more "in-earthed" solution. At the very least we know what the cockpit looks like! There are some details avail. on the radar layout, fuel loads, warloads, all those things are generaly easy to find. But of course that's not enough to do a solid simulation. But bringing it full circle, they did the MiG-29K and there isn't much info on that either.

I'd also like to see a "best-guess" on the Su-37, if the MiG-21/93 isn't a possibility. I bet the MiG OKB would be as helpful as they could be with security restrictions. I loved Total Air War and it is rumored that the -37 has similar capabilities to the F-22 in the avionics department, as well as full a2g functionality.

Cheers, WUlf.

I'd have to say that a modern glass cockpit would be nice, but it would be based upon a prototype aircraft. The newer Su-27 family, are constantly changing. They are installing a side stick HOTAS in some, while replacing the analog gauges with MFD's in others. There will be many more of changes, and I feel that it would be wasted effort, because everyone would be screaming for a patch to fix what is created today, when the final version of the Su-27/35/37 is produced. Another issue is the difference between the US and Russian aircraft. US aircraft are a bit more user friendly, where as the Russian jets require a bit more in the way of weapons employment, but are extremely tough!
Cant have everything, can we?!?!

Storm

As these systems are seriously becoming an option (and even on occasion surpass those of western systems, a la MiG-29SMT), why consider this and reverse engineer what is available on a 'best guess' basis. Look at the A2G radar...it is possible to do this.

Why not? The Russians are not sitting on their lorals; they know they have to make them more user friendly to compete globally; so why should we?

Z