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posted 01-11-2001 03:41 PM     Profile for Editor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

What is it like to fly the Spitfire and the Hurricane in Rowan's Battle of Britain? Do the Spit and Hurri handle as differently as their real world counterparts? Join Len "Viking1" Hjalmarson for a look at some of the real history of these legendary aircraft and how each performs in this WWII simulation of Britain's finest hour.

Preview: Spitfire and Hurricane in the Battle of Britain


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Dann
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posted 01-11-2001 04:34 PM     Profile for Dann   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It sounds as if they did not model the aircraft too well, with the Spit and Hurricane sharing roll rates?

Also, I do know that the Hurricane could out turn the Spit, how was this handled?

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

Dan


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Viking1
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posted 01-12-2001 04:56 PM     Profile for Viking1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I hope you don't mind my asking, but how do you know the Hurri could out turn the Spit?

And are you talking about initial turn rate or sustained?


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Dann
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posted 01-12-2001 06:51 PM     Profile for Dann   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Viking,

Don't mind at all....I believe it was Douglas Bader's book, though I cannot remember the name. And, one of the reference books I've seen mentioned this; I was surprised.

This was the only advantage the Hurricane had over the 109: out turning it. Bader describes using it once, hence the reference.

Apparently, the Hurricane had a better wing loading than the Spit. My assumption, unless I have it backwards, is that this will give it a better sustained turn rate. Neither source specified which it was: either sustained or instantaneous.

If you've heard different, let me know! "Better turn performance," upon reflection, can mean so many different things. It could easily have been that Hurricane pilots had a better turn rate at much slower speeds, forcing the 109 pilots to fight below their best turn rate? I can see how Bader would not bother to explain all this, instead opting for a more entertaining and less techinical story telling. You know, now that I am rambling on, I bet ALL of us here take for granted just how much we know about air to air combat (or whatever area of expertise brings you here). I know I've made many an eye glassy with overly long-winded explanations of the fine art of angles versus enegy fights...

...and there I go again.

Si Vis etc

Dan


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posted 01-13-2001 01:00 PM     Profile for Viking1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for clarifying. Interesting.. I've never read that. I SUSPECT (without evidence mind you) that it may have been true of the early Spit, but not the later. I do know that all through the various versions the Spit maintained the lower stall speed, which leads me to believe that the Hurri probably had the better instantaneous turn rate at speed. Since the Hurri was also quite a bit heavier than the Spit, my guess is that sustained turn rate was always better in the Spit.


It's difficult to measure these things in a sim, but I'll have to give it a go


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posted 01-14-2001 02:26 AM     Profile for Dann   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Viking,

Your reasoning sounds good....I'll dig up Bader's book and see what I can find.

Si Vis etc

Dan


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posted 01-14-2001 03:05 PM     Profile for Flanker35M   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
S!

I have also an impression that Hurricane turns better in some situations better than the Spitfire.But according to what FAF(Finnish Air Force) pilots said about the Hurricane it sounds odd.They didn't like it at all...Some reasons were:Sluggish,slow,easily outmaneuvered by Brewster.It was easy to fly was on the positive side.Also the lack of spare parts hindered the use of Hurricane in FAF.


Flanker


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