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Editor
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posted 10-05-2000 10:26 AM     Profile for Editor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

Preview: Squad Leader

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Barkhorn1x
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posted 10-05-2000 11:02 AM     Profile for Barkhorn1x   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I used to play Squad Leader or ASL as it is more commonly known. Many still do. I still keep - in pristine condition - my many modules and mapboards.

The game had a real charm to it and it was cool to move those MMC (multi-man counters) and Leaders across a nicely painted board.

The thing that always struck me about the board game was that EVERYTHING was abstracted but it all came together to give you the feel of WWII infantry combat.

The role that chance plays in the game was crucial - roll snake eyes and get a critical hit w/ a 37mm main gun on a Staurt against a Pkw V Panther or your 6-5-8 SS squad rolls boxcars and jams that Heavy MG that was the key to holding that stone building against 3 squads of 7-4-7 American paratroopers.

Morale was indeed huge and you had to plan carefully to allow safe route havens and have leaders placed for rallying.

Finally, it took real effort to play this game - the rules are 60-70 pages long. But it was sooo cool.

I seriously doubt that a PC game is going to successfully capture that feel.

It's funny but, in my experience, board games do an awful job of recreating air combat - Flight Sims are SO MUCH more satisfying in this regard. But the reverse seems to be true of land combat. ASL is far superior to the Close Combat Series. And another board game I own, "Devil's Den", captures the feel of Civil War combat far better than Sid Meir's Gettysburg ever did.

My prediction is this thang ain't gonna do it for nobody.

Regards,


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posted 10-05-2000 12:07 PM     Profile for Bismarck   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Blackhorn,

I hear ya, buddy, but hope springs eternal.

Jim Cobb


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Werner Molders
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posted 10-05-2000 10:55 PM     Profile for Werner Molders   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, any interest I had in the game went out the door when I heard that evil six-letter word. Sorry boys (or is that multimillionaire conglomerate executives), here's a seven-letter one for ya - BOYCOTT!

I'll stick with my copies of Steel Panthers 1, 2 and 3. It is a shame, because I like this kind of game, but for me its a matter of principle. To those who posted above (I can't see your names, sorry) I honestly hope you enjoy it. It seems to have potential!

Werner Molders

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posted 10-09-2000 04:54 AM     Profile for Amplified   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barkhorn1x:
My prediction is this thang ain't gonna do it for nobody.

Maybe. But, remember there is a far bigger strategy fan base than a wargame one so this
"thang" may do it for them.

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Viceroy
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posted 10-10-2000 01:13 PM     Profile for Viceroy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You guys talk as if you haven't tried Combat Mission ...... the most significant PC wargame in a long time. THAT game IS what Squad Leader was supposed to BE.



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posted 10-10-2000 01:46 PM     Profile for Wildman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Having played both X-Com and table top wargames, I'm not sure where Hasbro is headed.

Like someone said earlier, when I saw Hasbro I had a knee jerk reaction to never even look at reviews of this game, however, common sense won out.

To be honest the game looks EXACTLY like a World War II XCOM mod that someone put out on the web. I mean look at the screen shots, that IS XCOM. I guess maybe we now know another reason Hasbro bought Microprose!

I agree with Viceroy. Combat Mission is the way to go, it looks just like the table top WWII games I played with 1:300 lead figures and ARMOR44 rules.

If I buy this game its because I miss X-Com and the older XCOM games just run to fast on my spiffy new computer.

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posted 10-11-2000 08:12 AM     Profile for LLv34_Nattulv     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
When is Squad Leader schedualde to be release, are there any larger screenshot available and are there any more info on the Hasbro/Microprose site?

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Bismarck
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posted 10-11-2000 09:35 AM     Profile for Bismarck   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Look for release in late October. Do a web search for larger shots and more info. I don't know why my larger shot wasn't there.

Jim Cobb


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posted 10-11-2000 11:53 AM     Profile for LLv34_Nattulv     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No luck with finding anything on the web
Just find info related to the real boardgame, not to the upcomming computer game.

Could you mail me some screenshots? Please
jtorgersson@yahoo.se


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Bismarck
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posted 10-13-2000 01:17 PM     Profile for Bismarck   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
More screenshots can be found by searching www.cdmag.com for it's preview. The article's fawning but there's more shots.
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posted 10-14-2000 05:16 AM     Profile for LLv34_Nattulv     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you.

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posted 10-19-2000 04:10 PM     Profile for No609_Compans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmm....from what I've read elsewhere I don't think that this is meant to have anything to do with the excellent boardgame of the same name. Hasbro bought Avalon Hill btw so hence...they get to pinch the title.
I think its more like an update of soldiers at war. Most reviews were pretty bad of SAW but, I have to say I liked it. It wasn't particularly good for fans of reality and this seems to be an attempt to redress that. No more tunneling into German camps (aw...I enjoyed that) but the graphics in SAW were great and these looks similar...if not quite so crisp.
So...try to forget the Avalon Hill game and enjoy this for what it hopefully is....one of the very few historical squad level combat games on the market.

S! Comp.


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posted 10-21-2000 08:44 AM     Profile for Jim Cpbb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ah, but is it really squad level or man-to-man? The answer lies in the release version.
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posted 10-21-2000 05:23 PM     Profile for JAKE BULLET   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hell yes you have just summed it up so all you moaners who say you cannot simulate land combat on computer go buy combat mission now it is the best wargame ever released

you can find info + demo at www.battlefront.com

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Originally posted by Viceroy:
You guys talk as if you haven't tried Combat Mission ...... the most significant PC wargame in a long time. THAT game IS what Squad Leader was supposed to BE.



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posted 10-25-2000 04:00 PM     Profile for Two Bells   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
From what I've seen the game engine is an almost exact copy of SSI's Soldiers At War.
However, remember that SAW is over two years old!
SL graphics look even poorer than SAW's

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Keivan
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posted 11-08-2000 05:27 PM     Profile for Keivan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Why can't we get a true computer version of Squad Leader or ASL? Why!!??
I have been waiting for a computer version that is true to the board game for years.
Are there any games out that come close to the SL experience, other than Combat Mission?

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